each of these proposals to scrutiny, you have to say, are you saving money by cutting investments in education? you are not. nothing brings more to the treasury. that's what brings revenue to the treasury. if you cut that, you're increasing the testify sit, not lowering it. again, we have to subject what these proposals are to see what we're getting for them. as far as food stamps are concerned, as you initially asked, you know, there are all these reports now that all these children who have food stamps in your country, in many states over 50%, over states 40%, not like it's great, but kids can't learn if they're not eating. >> that's right. that's, i guess, part of what so many of us are so frustrated ability. jeffrey sachs, economist jeffrey sachs was on with my colleague chris hayes on friday. he couldn't even speak to sort of the numbers and the economic sort of perspective, but the moral perspective. >> of course. >> in this country we've become a country where it's okay to let children go hungry. i think that's where there's some frustration. what can we do as democrats? what will democ